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		<title>By: Kevin Purcell</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/08/17/the-end-of-the-nuclear-age/#comment-10012</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Purcell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 06:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a reponse both to Mike Lehman and Alex&#039;s previos reponse to my comment (the perils of threaded commenting system!).

I hypothesize (well, speculate because I have no real evidence for this but it is a testable idea) that the atomic and hydrogen bomb to nuclear weapon &quot;rebranding&quot; wasn&#039;t a concious political PR effort but came about in the nuclear weapons design labs as a consequence of weapons design.

Through the 1950s the design labs started to think about and design weapons that used mixture of fission and fusion in their operation. First this was the road to the &quot;Super&quot; by way of non-staged thermonuclear weapon designs like &quot;Alarm Clock&quot; then when they designed the first fusion-boosted fission bombs. Later they started to realize (in the later 1950s) that all of their designs would be &quot;fission and fusion&quot; devices to make them smaller, lighter and less vulnerable to pre-detonation). Even the simple &quot;A-bombs&quot; (i.e. single stage devices with 10 to 40kT yield) were now fusion boosted. So there was no meaningful distinction between fission and fusion weapons. 

The bomb designers started calling them nuclear weapons and everyone else followed suit.

The other factor is related to Alex comment about the H-bomb being considered a new class of weapon in the 1950. That&#039;s true because when the first H-bombs werey built it came in one (energetic ... 40PJ and up) size XXL: almost 3 orders of magnitude larger than the typical A-bomb. But by the time the 1960s arrives (almost) all the devices are fission/fusion weapons and the quest is for a smaller yield two stage bomb that will fit on top of Polaris. That&#039;s part of the range of bombs with yields from 10T (0.01kT) SADM (W54) up to the 25MT B41 (W53). The people who designed, built and made political descisions about these weapons wanted a single name to refer to all of the &quot;non-conventional&quot; weapons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a reponse both to Mike Lehman and Alex&#8217;s previos reponse to my comment (the perils of threaded commenting system!).</p>
<p>I hypothesize (well, speculate because I have no real evidence for this but it is a testable idea) that the atomic and hydrogen bomb to nuclear weapon &#8220;rebranding&#8221; wasn&#8217;t a concious political PR effort but came about in the nuclear weapons design labs as a consequence of weapons design.</p>
<p>Through the 1950s the design labs started to think about and design weapons that used mixture of fission and fusion in their operation. First this was the road to the &#8220;Super&#8221; by way of non-staged thermonuclear weapon designs like &#8220;Alarm Clock&#8221; then when they designed the first fusion-boosted fission bombs. Later they started to realize (in the later 1950s) that all of their designs would be &#8220;fission and fusion&#8221; devices to make them smaller, lighter and less vulnerable to pre-detonation). Even the simple &#8220;A-bombs&#8221; (i.e. single stage devices with 10 to 40kT yield) were now fusion boosted. So there was no meaningful distinction between fission and fusion weapons. </p>
<p>The bomb designers started calling them nuclear weapons and everyone else followed suit.</p>
<p>The other factor is related to Alex comment about the H-bomb being considered a new class of weapon in the 1950. That&#8217;s true because when the first H-bombs werey built it came in one (energetic &#8230; 40PJ and up) size XXL: almost 3 orders of magnitude larger than the typical A-bomb. But by the time the 1960s arrives (almost) all the devices are fission/fusion weapons and the quest is for a smaller yield two stage bomb that will fit on top of Polaris. That&#8217;s part of the range of bombs with yields from 10T (0.01kT) SADM (W54) up to the 25MT B41 (W53). The people who designed, built and made political descisions about these weapons wanted a single name to refer to all of the &#8220;non-conventional&#8221; weapons.</p>
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		<title>By: John Blankenbaker</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/08/17/the-end-of-the-nuclear-age/#comment-9840</link>
		<dc:creator>John Blankenbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 15:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed, I just stumbled across &quot;Atomic Ranch&quot; magazine (http://www.atomic-ranch.com/about/about.php) which &quot;celebrates midcentury houses—from 1940s ranch tracts to 1960s architect-designed modernist homes. With an emphasis on affordable solutions and homeowner renovations, our quarterly magazine shows you how to make your house cool, both inside and out.&quot;

Amusingly, I found it at my local Whole Foods while looking for &quot;American Bungalow&quot; which does the same thing for &quot;to homes of the early 20th century, the philosophy of the Arts and Crafts movement and the bungalow lifestyle.&quot; Before all this atomic nonsense got going...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, I just stumbled across &#8220;Atomic Ranch&#8221; magazine (<a href="http://www.atomic-ranch.com/about/about.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.atomic-ranch.com/about/about.php</a>) which &#8220;celebrates midcentury houses—from 1940s ranch tracts to 1960s architect-designed modernist homes. With an emphasis on affordable solutions and homeowner renovations, our quarterly magazine shows you how to make your house cool, both inside and out.&#8221;</p>
<p>Amusingly, I found it at my local Whole Foods while looking for &#8220;American Bungalow&#8221; which does the same thing for &#8220;to homes of the early 20th century, the philosophy of the Arts and Crafts movement and the bungalow lifestyle.&#8221; Before all this atomic nonsense got going&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Wellerstein</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/08/17/the-end-of-the-nuclear-age/#comment-9825</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Wellerstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 22:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s always been interesting to me about the hydrogen bomb (I have fantasies of writing an entire book on the H-bomb someday) is the way it is at first delineated as &lt;em&gt;something different&lt;/em&gt; than the atomic bomb (during the debate about it and during the early years of the megaton age), but it very quickly gets folded into the broader rubric of &quot;nuclear weapons&quot;, to the point where today it&#039;s hard to make people understand why folks like Fermi, Rabi, and Oppenheimer thought it was qualitatively different than regular fission weapons. To put it another way, I&#039;ve had difficulty explaining to undergraduates why people in the 1950s thought that the line to be crossed was between atomic and hydrogen weapons — that the specific &lt;em&gt;design&lt;/em&gt; of the weapon entitled a different moral or political order.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s always been interesting to me about the hydrogen bomb (I have fantasies of writing an entire book on the H-bomb someday) is the way it is at first delineated as <em>something different</em> than the atomic bomb (during the debate about it and during the early years of the megaton age), but it very quickly gets folded into the broader rubric of &#8220;nuclear weapons&#8221;, to the point where today it&#8217;s hard to make people understand why folks like Fermi, Rabi, and Oppenheimer thought it was qualitatively different than regular fission weapons. To put it another way, I&#8217;ve had difficulty explaining to undergraduates why people in the 1950s thought that the line to be crossed was between atomic and hydrogen weapons — that the specific <em>design</em> of the weapon entitled a different moral or political order.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Purcell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Purcell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 22:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shouldn&#039;t &quot;hydrogen bomb&quot; be added into that mix too to fill in the gap in the 1950s when &quot;atomic bomb&quot; was becoming less popular and the public got to hear about the new &quot;superbomb&quot;. I would suspect it should have a big bump in the Fifties given the public interest then declining as nuclear weapons too over.

However &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=atomic+bomb%2Catomic+weapons%2Chydrogen+bomb%2Cnuclear+weapons&amp;year_start=1920&amp;year_end=2008&amp;corpus=0&amp;smoothing=4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;it turns out that &quot;hydrogen bomb&quot;&lt;/a&gt; only a steady ramp in the Fifties and by 1960 it&#039;s on the downturn. That it never exceeds &quot;atomic bomb&quot; or &quot;atomic weapons&quot; or &quot;nuclear weapons&quot; really suprises me and may be an interesting insight into how the public perceived this weapon. 

BTW, &quot;superbomb&quot; hardly gets off the origin: poor old Teller he never really had the knack for naming things.

&quot;Up and atom&quot; (as the Radioactive Man parodies on &lt;i&gt;The Simpsons&lt;/i&gt; said)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#8217;t &#8220;hydrogen bomb&#8221; be added into that mix too to fill in the gap in the 1950s when &#8220;atomic bomb&#8221; was becoming less popular and the public got to hear about the new &#8220;superbomb&#8221;. I would suspect it should have a big bump in the Fifties given the public interest then declining as nuclear weapons too over.</p>
<p>However <a href="http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=atomic+bomb%2Catomic+weapons%2Chydrogen+bomb%2Cnuclear+weapons&amp;year_start=1920&amp;year_end=2008&amp;corpus=0&amp;smoothing=4" rel="nofollow">it turns out that &#8220;hydrogen bomb&#8221;</a> only a steady ramp in the Fifties and by 1960 it&#8217;s on the downturn. That it never exceeds &#8220;atomic bomb&#8221; or &#8220;atomic weapons&#8221; or &#8220;nuclear weapons&#8221; really suprises me and may be an interesting insight into how the public perceived this weapon. </p>
<p>BTW, &#8220;superbomb&#8221; hardly gets off the origin: poor old Teller he never really had the knack for naming things.</p>
<p>&#8220;Up and atom&#8221; (as the Radioactive Man parodies on <i>The Simpsons</i> said)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Lehman</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/08/17/the-end-of-the-nuclear-age/#comment-9782</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Lehman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t seen hard evidence for an intentional change in terminology from atomic to nuclear, my comment about what was effectively rebranding aside, but there is plenty of evidence of measures taken to avoid &#039;scaring the h*#&amp; out of people&#039; over nuclear energy, to paraphrase Ike&#039;s concerns.

Eisenhower kicked off his Atoms for Peace program to spread ostensibly civilian nuclear energy with a UN speech at the end of 1953 as a specific attempt to dampen anxieties over the surging nuclear forces of the US. Just as that was getting off the ground, CASTLE BRAVO dropped fallout as a problem into Ike&#039;s lap...

Cause and effect often get rather hazy in describing the origins and use of discourse, even when there&#039;s a clearly apparent relationship. Is there a memo somewhere spelling this change out? Could be, but given the human tendency to dissemble about uncomfortable topics, oftentimes bureaucrats don&#039;t need a specific request to pick up on ways to obfuscate and move away from language that becomes uncomfortable to use.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen hard evidence for an intentional change in terminology from atomic to nuclear, my comment about what was effectively rebranding aside, but there is plenty of evidence of measures taken to avoid &#8216;scaring the h*#&amp; out of people&#8217; over nuclear energy, to paraphrase Ike&#8217;s concerns.</p>
<p>Eisenhower kicked off his Atoms for Peace program to spread ostensibly civilian nuclear energy with a UN speech at the end of 1953 as a specific attempt to dampen anxieties over the surging nuclear forces of the US. Just as that was getting off the ground, CASTLE BRAVO dropped fallout as a problem into Ike&#8217;s lap&#8230;</p>
<p>Cause and effect often get rather hazy in describing the origins and use of discourse, even when there&#8217;s a clearly apparent relationship. Is there a memo somewhere spelling this change out? Could be, but given the human tendency to dissemble about uncomfortable topics, oftentimes bureaucrats don&#8217;t need a specific request to pick up on ways to obfuscate and move away from language that becomes uncomfortable to use.</p>
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		<title>By: Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes... I can&#039;t prove it, but I strongly suspect that once &quot;atomic&quot; became firmly associated with atomic bombs and fallout, the people promoting reactors decided to switch to &quot;nuclear&quot;. Of course pretty soon &#039;nuclear&#039; came to sound bad too. That&#039;s why Nuclear Resonance Imaging was rebranded Magnetic Resonance Imaging by doctors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes&#8230; I can&#8217;t prove it, but I strongly suspect that once &#8220;atomic&#8221; became firmly associated with atomic bombs and fallout, the people promoting reactors decided to switch to &#8220;nuclear&#8221;. Of course pretty soon &#8216;nuclear&#8217; came to sound bad too. That&#8217;s why Nuclear Resonance Imaging was rebranded Magnetic Resonance Imaging by doctors.</p>
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		<title>By: Nuclear Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nuclear Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the term meltdown as it applies to nuclear energy probably has it&#039;s origins with the work of Samuel Untermyer. I&#039;m not sure if he coined the term but he conducted a series of reactor tests in the 1950&#039;s at the INEEL BORAX I test reactor Untermyer wanted to determine whether BWR&#039;s could survive steam bubble formation in the core this was done through a series of power excursion tests. In July of 1954 a power excursion was deliberately used to destroy the reactor it was expected that a minor fraction of the fuel would melt but it was found that a large portion of the fuel had melted this had major ramifications for future reactor fuel development. They now knew a BWR design could be pushed pretty hard but if it was pushed too far it could have unexpected results. About a year later EBR-1 (different design) exhibited fuel melting too this spawned more reactor safety tests but it didn&#039;t stop the commercialization of the EBR-1 design as the later failed Fermi-1 of &quot;We Almost Lost Detroit&quot; fame.  

http://neutron.kth.se/courses/reactor_physics/LectureNotes/BORAX1.pdf

The BORAX 1 final test and the EBR-1 accident were followed by the SPERT series of purposeful destructive reactor tests among a host of other reactor safety tests aimed at making the peaceful atom possible.

http://users.owt.com/smsrpm/Chernobyl/preTMI.html

http://books.google.com/books?id=ATkLIZ06YJQC&amp;pg=PA38&amp;lpg=PA38&amp;dq=borax-1++meltdown&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=ssr38lnn7P&amp;sig=x0llKSgvMuvMteDU8brAQfkrSDE&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=GG40UOGkCsSP6gGU5oFA&amp;ved=0CBsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&amp;q=borax-1%20%20meltdown&amp;f=false]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the term meltdown as it applies to nuclear energy probably has it&#8217;s origins with the work of Samuel Untermyer. I&#8217;m not sure if he coined the term but he conducted a series of reactor tests in the 1950&#8242;s at the INEEL BORAX I test reactor Untermyer wanted to determine whether BWR&#8217;s could survive steam bubble formation in the core this was done through a series of power excursion tests. In July of 1954 a power excursion was deliberately used to destroy the reactor it was expected that a minor fraction of the fuel would melt but it was found that a large portion of the fuel had melted this had major ramifications for future reactor fuel development. They now knew a BWR design could be pushed pretty hard but if it was pushed too far it could have unexpected results. About a year later EBR-1 (different design) exhibited fuel melting too this spawned more reactor safety tests but it didn&#8217;t stop the commercialization of the EBR-1 design as the later failed Fermi-1 of &#8220;We Almost Lost Detroit&#8221; fame.  </p>
<p><a href="http://neutron.kth.se/courses/reactor_physics/LectureNotes/BORAX1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://neutron.kth.se/courses/reactor_physics/LectureNotes/BORAX1.pdf</a></p>
<p>The BORAX 1 final test and the EBR-1 accident were followed by the SPERT series of purposeful destructive reactor tests among a host of other reactor safety tests aimed at making the peaceful atom possible.</p>
<p><a href="http://users.owt.com/smsrpm/Chernobyl/preTMI.html" rel="nofollow">http://users.owt.com/smsrpm/Chernobyl/preTMI.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=ATkLIZ06YJQC&#038;pg=PA38&#038;lpg=PA38&#038;dq=borax-1++meltdown&#038;source=bl&#038;ots=ssr38lnn7P&#038;sig=x0llKSgvMuvMteDU8brAQfkrSDE&#038;sa=X&#038;ei=GG40UOGkCsSP6gGU5oFA&#038;ved=0CBsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&#038;q=borax-1%20%20meltdown&#038;f=false" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=ATkLIZ06YJQC&#038;pg=PA38&#038;lpg=PA38&#038;dq=borax-1++meltdown&#038;source=bl&#038;ots=ssr38lnn7P&#038;sig=x0llKSgvMuvMteDU8brAQfkrSDE&#038;sa=X&#038;ei=GG40UOGkCsSP6gGU5oFA&#038;ved=0CBsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&#038;q=borax-1%20%20meltdown&#038;f=false</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bill Higgins</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/08/17/the-end-of-the-nuclear-age/#comment-9687</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Higgins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know enough history to answer that question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know enough history to answer that question.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Lehman</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/08/17/the-end-of-the-nuclear-age/#comment-9683</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Lehman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alex,
No problem, the filter did good. I was posting from my new laptop for the first time -- the one that doesn&#039;t have 0% disc space left...

Atomic has certainly been rehabilitated. In fact, It&#039;s a huge category on that popular auction site. Makes it kind of hard to find the gems, like the bottle above, when sorting among all the items that atomic seems to help sell these days. 

Nuclear seems to have a far more negative connotation, but that&#039;s the current context at work. People worry when you say someone is &quot;about to go nuclear&quot; on something. Tell them you&#039;re about ready to&quot;go atomic&quot; and they will more likely smile knowingly about your amusing retro language.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,<br />
No problem, the filter did good. I was posting from my new laptop for the first time &#8212; the one that doesn&#8217;t have 0% disc space left&#8230;</p>
<p>Atomic has certainly been rehabilitated. In fact, It&#8217;s a huge category on that popular auction site. Makes it kind of hard to find the gems, like the bottle above, when sorting among all the items that atomic seems to help sell these days. </p>
<p>Nuclear seems to have a far more negative connotation, but that&#8217;s the current context at work. People worry when you say someone is &#8220;about to go nuclear&#8221; on something. Tell them you&#8217;re about ready to&#8221;go atomic&#8221; and they will more likely smile knowingly about your amusing retro language.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Wellerstein</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/08/17/the-end-of-the-nuclear-age/#comment-9671</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Wellerstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s funny is that today, you probably &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; get away with an &quot;atomic&quot; cola — on the retro factor alone.

(Sorry that comment took a few days to go up — my spam filter can be unpredictably aggressive at times, even though you&#039;ve had many previously approved posts.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s funny is that today, you probably <i>could</i> get away with an &#8220;atomic&#8221; cola — on the retro factor alone.</p>
<p>(Sorry that comment took a few days to go up — my spam filter can be unpredictably aggressive at times, even though you&#8217;ve had many previously approved posts.)</p>
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