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		<title>By: Jim pelszynski</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/07/20/king-of-the-wild-frontier/#comment-13621</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim pelszynski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 03:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I served their also from 1964-1965 hoc 3rd bde 1st cav div. camp mcgovern m113 hq42]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I served their also from 1964-1965 hoc 3rd bde 1st cav div. camp mcgovern m113 hq42</p>
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		<title>By: Jim pelszynski</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/07/20/king-of-the-wild-frontier/#comment-13620</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim pelszynski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 02:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I served in Korea 1964-1965  hhc 3rd bde1cav div camp McGovern Davy Crockett section loader driver m113.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I served in Korea 1964-1965  hhc 3rd bde1cav div camp McGovern Davy Crockett section loader driver m113.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hermann</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/07/20/king-of-the-wild-frontier/#comment-12338</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Hermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 21:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the beginning each D/C section had a XM-28 and XM-29 assigned to a section. While stationed in Germany the jeep mount XM-28 would always get stuck in off terrain snow. The XM-28 was replaced with another M-113 and XM-29.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the beginning each D/C section had a XM-28 and XM-29 assigned to a section. While stationed in Germany the jeep mount XM-28 would always get stuck in off terrain snow. The XM-28 was replaced with another M-113 and XM-29.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hermann</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/07/20/king-of-the-wild-frontier/#comment-12336</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Hermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 21:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hawaii was used as a training ground only]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hawaii was used as a training ground only</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Hermann</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/07/20/king-of-the-wild-frontier/#comment-10562</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Hermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 01:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was assigned to the Davy Crockett section Hq Co 3/36 Inf. Regt. West Germany in March 1962. The Davy Crockett had been assigned to West Germany in Dec. 1961 and most battalion commanders didn&#039;t know what to do with this system. Our section was assigned a XM-29 that was stored in a modified M-113 and a XM-28 jeep mounted weapon. The XM-28 was removed from our section in Nov. 1962, it was replaced with another XM-29. The XM-29 originally did not have a spotter gun and we used M-390 high explosive rounds for spotting. Figure 21 shows the M-113 with six pods for M-390 training rounds.  In late 1962 the M-113 was modified again with one roll of pods removed and a space was made to store spotter round crates. I have photo&#039;s of the modifications that were made. I had heard when the XM-28 was removed from our section it was reassigned to the Airborne division they used the port-a-pack when jumping out of a airplane.
        I was sent to a four week class at the Combat Arms School in Vilseck, Germany. We were taught how to fire four nuclear rounds off in ten minutes. We also learned how to survive radiation fall out, how to store nuclear war heads in a field situation. One of our biggest threats came from the Russian teams called Spetsnaz, know as the hunters of the Davy Crockett teams.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was assigned to the Davy Crockett section Hq Co 3/36 Inf. Regt. West Germany in March 1962. The Davy Crockett had been assigned to West Germany in Dec. 1961 and most battalion commanders didn&#8217;t know what to do with this system. Our section was assigned a XM-29 that was stored in a modified M-113 and a XM-28 jeep mounted weapon. The XM-28 was removed from our section in Nov. 1962, it was replaced with another XM-29. The XM-29 originally did not have a spotter gun and we used M-390 high explosive rounds for spotting. Figure 21 shows the M-113 with six pods for M-390 training rounds.  In late 1962 the M-113 was modified again with one roll of pods removed and a space was made to store spotter round crates. I have photo&#8217;s of the modifications that were made. I had heard when the XM-28 was removed from our section it was reassigned to the Airborne division they used the port-a-pack when jumping out of a airplane.<br />
        I was sent to a four week class at the Combat Arms School in Vilseck, Germany. We were taught how to fire four nuclear rounds off in ten minutes. We also learned how to survive radiation fall out, how to store nuclear war heads in a field situation. One of our biggest threats came from the Russian teams called Spetsnaz, know as the hunters of the Davy Crockett teams.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 00:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was thinking about the DC weapons system and thought I could expand on some of the timer info. The timer ONLY armed the fuse at the end of the time setting.  Each mark was 1/2 second. It had to be set for at least one second or the fuse would never arm. On the &quot;S&quot; (safe) mark, the fuse could not be armed. A spanner wrench came with the projectile. One side had two projections to set the timer and the other side had a small prong with a screwdriver tip to set the HOB and Arm Safe switches. 

No calucations were required to figure out the timer setting. Once you had figured out the range, a book with tables in it was consulted and it told you the setting. The crew man that figured out the direction, range and corrections to the guns (the DC and the 37mm spotting round) was called &quot;Computer&quot;. This was the actual Army designation - not a nickname. We had NO actual computers. The gun elevation for the spotting round was different than the DC round. When the 37mm was on target the gun would be &quot;superelevated&quot; to the much higher elevation required by the DC round. The Computer would figure the superelevation by again using the charts in a book. I personally think the need to change the elevations caused the gun to be somewhat less accurate. But then, how accurate do you have to be when firing nuc&#039;s?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking about the DC weapons system and thought I could expand on some of the timer info. The timer ONLY armed the fuse at the end of the time setting.  Each mark was 1/2 second. It had to be set for at least one second or the fuse would never arm. On the &#8220;S&#8221; (safe) mark, the fuse could not be armed. A spanner wrench came with the projectile. One side had two projections to set the timer and the other side had a small prong with a screwdriver tip to set the HOB and Arm Safe switches. </p>
<p>No calucations were required to figure out the timer setting. Once you had figured out the range, a book with tables in it was consulted and it told you the setting. The crew man that figured out the direction, range and corrections to the guns (the DC and the 37mm spotting round) was called &#8220;Computer&#8221;. This was the actual Army designation &#8211; not a nickname. We had NO actual computers. The gun elevation for the spotting round was different than the DC round. When the 37mm was on target the gun would be &#8220;superelevated&#8221; to the much higher elevation required by the DC round. The Computer would figure the superelevation by again using the charts in a book. I personally think the need to change the elevations caused the gun to be somewhat less accurate. But then, how accurate do you have to be when firing nuc&#8217;s?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 23:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The way the gun works is that you put a huge tube of conventional propellant behind the projectile, and then a long “launching piston.” The piston is attached to the nuke. When the conventional propellant goes off, it sends the piston flying, which in turn transfers that force to the projectile.&quot; 

Just some thoughts about the launching piston. It was attached to the projectile by two bayonet slots. When the gun was fired, part of the propellent gas would go through a strainer at the bottom of the piston and the pressure between the piston and projectile would separate them about 13 feet in front of the mouth of the gun. What&#039;s interesting was that the piston would then begin to tumble and fall to the earth well before the target area. As there would normally be some of your own troops between the DC crew and the target, you could kill or injure your own troops! They would be warned over the radio when to take cover - not only as protection from the exploding nuc, but from the piston.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The way the gun works is that you put a huge tube of conventional propellant behind the projectile, and then a long “launching piston.” The piston is attached to the nuke. When the conventional propellant goes off, it sends the piston flying, which in turn transfers that force to the projectile.&#8221; </p>
<p>Just some thoughts about the launching piston. It was attached to the projectile by two bayonet slots. When the gun was fired, part of the propellent gas would go through a strainer at the bottom of the piston and the pressure between the piston and projectile would separate them about 13 feet in front of the mouth of the gun. What&#8217;s interesting was that the piston would then begin to tumble and fall to the earth well before the target area. As there would normally be some of your own troops between the DC crew and the target, you could kill or injure your own troops! They would be warned over the radio when to take cover &#8211; not only as protection from the exploding nuc, but from the piston.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 23:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The projectile passed it&#039;s burst height twice. On it&#039;s way up and again on it&#039;s way down. As a safety, it would not be fully ready to detonate until the rear antenna dome no longer sensed the ground and the timer ran down. The timer was a safety device. For example, if you were in a valley and firing over a mountain, you could not have the projectile sensing the mountain as it could possibly go off as it passed it&#039;s height of burst setting in going over the mountain. 

Yes, that was what the HOB switch was for. When the radar said it was the correct distance from the ground as set by the HOB switch, it would detonate.  The switch had two settings. Each was set to one specific height. We always set it to &quot;High&quot; in practice because, in a war, special permission had to be granted to set it to &quot;Low&quot;.  In the projectile in 1966, there was no provision to change the yield. The yield was set at the armory inside the projectile. We could not change it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The projectile passed it&#8217;s burst height twice. On it&#8217;s way up and again on it&#8217;s way down. As a safety, it would not be fully ready to detonate until the rear antenna dome no longer sensed the ground and the timer ran down. The timer was a safety device. For example, if you were in a valley and firing over a mountain, you could not have the projectile sensing the mountain as it could possibly go off as it passed it&#8217;s height of burst setting in going over the mountain. </p>
<p>Yes, that was what the HOB switch was for. When the radar said it was the correct distance from the ground as set by the HOB switch, it would detonate.  The switch had two settings. Each was set to one specific height. We always set it to &#8220;High&#8221; in practice because, in a war, special permission had to be granted to set it to &#8220;Low&#8221;.  In the projectile in 1966, there was no provision to change the yield. The yield was set at the armory inside the projectile. We could not change it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Wellerstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Wellerstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 22:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the description, Ken.

Can you clarify your last point: &lt;em&gt;The timer only told the projectile when it could start to calculate it’s height in preparation for exploding. It was not just a “dumb” bomb.&lt;/em&gt; 

Did it have some kind of altimeter inside of it? Is this what the &quot;height of burst&quot; switch manipulated? Can you provide any details as to how that worked in practice — e.g. was &quot;high&quot; set to a specific height and &quot;low&quot; another, or something else? I had assumed the &quot;height of burst&quot; switch was more related to yield considerations than a detection of actual height, but this was just an assumption.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the description, Ken.</p>
<p>Can you clarify your last point: <em>The timer only told the projectile when it could start to calculate it’s height in preparation for exploding. It was not just a “dumb” bomb.</em> </p>
<p>Did it have some kind of altimeter inside of it? Is this what the &#8220;height of burst&#8221; switch manipulated? Can you provide any details as to how that worked in practice — e.g. was &#8220;high&#8221; set to a specific height and &#8220;low&#8221; another, or something else? I had assumed the &#8220;height of burst&#8221; switch was more related to yield considerations than a detection of actual height, but this was just an assumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/07/20/king-of-the-wild-frontier/#comment-9823</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you were being overrun, shaped charges were carried to destroy the projectile. The launcher was destroyed by thermite grenades. The timer counted down to zero but it would not start the countdown until the projectile was fired. There was no way to start the timer without firing the projectile. 

There seems to be a fundemental misunderstanding of the timer. Even if you could set the timer working on the ground, the projectile would not explode. The timer was a safety device to prevent the bomb from going off too early. Please note that the timer was at the base of the rear antenna dome. It controlled when the information from the antenna domes would start to be used. So, the zero setting did have a purpose, was very important and was used in every firing event but it did not cause the explosion.  The timer only told the projectile when it could start to calculate it&#039;s height in preparation for exploding. It was not just a &quot;dumb&quot; bomb.

I served a Davy Crockett for 13 months in Korea in every crewman&#039;s position.  1965-66.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you were being overrun, shaped charges were carried to destroy the projectile. The launcher was destroyed by thermite grenades. The timer counted down to zero but it would not start the countdown until the projectile was fired. There was no way to start the timer without firing the projectile. </p>
<p>There seems to be a fundemental misunderstanding of the timer. Even if you could set the timer working on the ground, the projectile would not explode. The timer was a safety device to prevent the bomb from going off too early. Please note that the timer was at the base of the rear antenna dome. It controlled when the information from the antenna domes would start to be used. So, the zero setting did have a purpose, was very important and was used in every firing event but it did not cause the explosion.  The timer only told the projectile when it could start to calculate it&#8217;s height in preparation for exploding. It was not just a &#8220;dumb&#8221; bomb.</p>
<p>I served a Davy Crockett for 13 months in Korea in every crewman&#8217;s position.  1965-66.</p>
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