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		<title>By: Alex Wellerstein</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/03/30/trinitys-cloud-1945/#comment-7375</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Wellerstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, J.E., that&#039;s interesting. You are definitely correct that some of these (especially the solarized one) are pin-hole cameras, though some of the others look like automatics.

As for &quot;suppression,&quot; I doubt they were kept &quot;secret&quot; for any classification reason, but were definitely not passed out as part of the press kits, because of their quality, and because the Manhattan Project at that point had a very tightly coordinated public relations front it was trying to put out there. The fact that there were barely any photographs of the cloud itself from Trinity has always been odd to me -- it&#039;s one of the few tests where the &quot;public&quot; photos focus almost exclusively on the fireball.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, J.E., that&#8217;s interesting. You are definitely correct that some of these (especially the solarized one) are pin-hole cameras, though some of the others look like automatics.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;suppression,&#8221; I doubt they were kept &#8220;secret&#8221; for any classification reason, but were definitely not passed out as part of the press kits, because of their quality, and because the Manhattan Project at that point had a very tightly coordinated public relations front it was trying to put out there. The fact that there were barely any photographs of the cloud itself from Trinity has always been odd to me &#8212; it&#8217;s one of the few tests where the &#8220;public&#8221; photos focus almost exclusively on the fireball.</p>
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		<title>By: J. E. Easton</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/03/30/trinitys-cloud-1945/#comment-6833</link>
		<dc:creator>J. E. Easton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 06:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For What It&#039;s Worth,

I&#039;m 65 years old, and grew up three blocks from L.A. International Airport. Which is like living in the black ring of the bulls-eye painted on LA- what with Douglas, North American, Rockwell, Hughes, Rocket-dyne, Northrup, General Dynamics, Motorola, TRW, etx. and the thousands of small job shops supporting the US Aerospace and Defense industries within a five mile radius.  I don&#039;t know what you do or don&#039;t know, but there were no secrets about the A-Bomb.  Just look at the dates of information and material that was released.  There was no conspiracy about suppressing information about fallout from the &quot;mushroom clouds&quot;,or it&#039;s lethality in general, or surviving it in particular.  Between Linus Pauling, Robert Oppenhemier,  Teller, Bertrand Russell, and the scores of Manhattan Project scientists, the full implication of nuclear war was well known, and well documented, and I might add, also, thoroughly investigated by J. Edgar Hoover, the FBI, and HUAC.  I had nightmares about the bomb until I saw Stanley Kubrick&#039;s Dr. Strangelove.  But to go to your issue, on that morning in Alamogordo,  there was no shortage of motion picture cameras; they were shooting from 16 and 32 Kilometers from point of event. The photos in series you reference were not motion photography- they were still cameras- literally pin hole cameras, with one exposure per camera.  Some were heavily fogged from radiation, some disabled by blast, gamma, and emf.  The few images of the &quot;cloud&quot; rising in the sky is the result of the brightness of the cloud in the pre-dawn darkness, film speed, and exposure criteria.  It was in predawn darkness that the event occurred, and given the exposure latitude of film and aperture,  distance and altitude, whether those columnar clouds were recorded, or not, I doubt that they would have been suppressed as much as they were very poor quality images.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For What It&#8217;s Worth,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 65 years old, and grew up three blocks from L.A. International Airport. Which is like living in the black ring of the bulls-eye painted on LA- what with Douglas, North American, Rockwell, Hughes, Rocket-dyne, Northrup, General Dynamics, Motorola, TRW, etx. and the thousands of small job shops supporting the US Aerospace and Defense industries within a five mile radius.  I don&#8217;t know what you do or don&#8217;t know, but there were no secrets about the A-Bomb.  Just look at the dates of information and material that was released.  There was no conspiracy about suppressing information about fallout from the &#8220;mushroom clouds&#8221;,or it&#8217;s lethality in general, or surviving it in particular.  Between Linus Pauling, Robert Oppenhemier,  Teller, Bertrand Russell, and the scores of Manhattan Project scientists, the full implication of nuclear war was well known, and well documented, and I might add, also, thoroughly investigated by J. Edgar Hoover, the FBI, and HUAC.  I had nightmares about the bomb until I saw Stanley Kubrick&#8217;s Dr. Strangelove.  But to go to your issue, on that morning in Alamogordo,  there was no shortage of motion picture cameras; they were shooting from 16 and 32 Kilometers from point of event. The photos in series you reference were not motion photography- they were still cameras- literally pin hole cameras, with one exposure per camera.  Some were heavily fogged from radiation, some disabled by blast, gamma, and emf.  The few images of the &#8220;cloud&#8221; rising in the sky is the result of the brightness of the cloud in the pre-dawn darkness, film speed, and exposure criteria.  It was in predawn darkness that the event occurred, and given the exposure latitude of film and aperture,  distance and altitude, whether those columnar clouds were recorded, or not, I doubt that they would have been suppressed as much as they were very poor quality images.</p>
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		<title>By: Friday Images: Semipalatinsk Then and Now &#187; Restricted Data: The Nuclear Secrecy Blog</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/03/30/trinitys-cloud-1945/#comment-6644</link>
		<dc:creator>Friday Images: Semipalatinsk Then and Now &#187; Restricted Data: The Nuclear Secrecy Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Ah, that Beria! To appropriate a line from Solzhenitsyn&#8217;s Gulag Archipelago (which is now, very recently, available in Kindle format, which is really an ideal way to read this amazing but hefty book): &#8220;This ought to be shown in a film comedy, but they wouldn&#8217;t allow it: there is nothing funny in our life; everything funny takes place in the West!&#8221; Michael also notes that another physicist had been asked by Beria to be Kurchatov&#8217;s &#8220;understudy,&#8221; with the implicit understanding that he would take over if Kurchatov failed and was shot. Oy. The mushroom cloud from &#8220;First Lightning.&#8221; Darker and more ominous than your standard &#8220;Trinity&#8221; photographs. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ah, that Beria! To appropriate a line from Solzhenitsyn&#8217;s Gulag Archipelago (which is now, very recently, available in Kindle format, which is really an ideal way to read this amazing but hefty book): &#8220;This ought to be shown in a film comedy, but they wouldn&#8217;t allow it: there is nothing funny in our life; everything funny takes place in the West!&#8221; Michael also notes that another physicist had been asked by Beria to be Kurchatov&#8217;s &#8220;understudy,&#8221; with the implicit understanding that he would take over if Kurchatov failed and was shot. Oy. The mushroom cloud from &#8220;First Lightning.&#8221; Darker and more ominous than your standard &#8220;Trinity&#8221; photographs. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Friday Image: The DIXIE Showgirl (1953) &#187; Restricted Data: The Nuclear Secrecy Blog</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/03/30/trinitys-cloud-1945/#comment-5819</link>
		<dc:creator>Friday Image: The DIXIE Showgirl (1953) &#187; Restricted Data: The Nuclear Secrecy Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 12:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and there&#8217;s a pretty standard visual vocabulary for how those look. (Something I&#8217;ve touched on before.) Personally I find it a little easy to get desensitized to mushroom clouds after awhile. They all [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and there&#8217;s a pretty standard visual vocabulary for how those look. (Something I&#8217;ve touched on before.) Personally I find it a little easy to get desensitized to mushroom clouds after awhile. They all [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/03/30/trinitys-cloud-1945/#comment-4765</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hello alex! My e-mail  nuclear_test@mail.ru no spam. answer me)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello alex! My e-mail  <a href="mailto:nuclear_test@mail.ru">nuclear_test@mail.ru</a> no spam. answer me)</p>
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		<title>By: Friday Images: Atomic TIME (Magazine) &#187; Restricted Data: The Nuclear Secrecy Blog</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/03/30/trinitys-cloud-1945/#comment-4590</link>
		<dc:creator>Friday Images: Atomic TIME (Magazine) &#187; Restricted Data: The Nuclear Secrecy Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 11:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and red scheme. (Life magazine also featured an Ivy Mike image on the cover that week, but chose the fireball instead of the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and red scheme. (Life magazine also featured an Ivy Mike image on the cover that week, but chose the fireball instead of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Wellerstein</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/03/30/trinitys-cloud-1945/#comment-4588</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Wellerstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 11:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can get higher res copies from LANL. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lanl.gov/history/admin/files/TR-145_8x10.jpg&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TR-145&lt;/a&gt; is online on their website at high res, but the others aren&#039;t. But if you e-mail Alan Carr (abcarr@lanl.gov) with a subject line of &quot;Request high-res image for&quot; plus the image identification number (e.g. TR-145 — check the file names for whatever I posted), he will (if you are very nice) send you the high-res versions of whichever you want. The lab has always been very helpful for me in tracking down high-res copies of the old Trinity images. (The ones I&#039;ve shown above come from a massive catalog of all of the Trinity images, a copy of which John Coster-Mullen sent me some time ago.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can get higher res copies from LANL. <a href="http://www.lanl.gov/history/admin/files/TR-145_8x10.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">TR-145</a> is online on their website at high res, but the others aren&#8217;t. But if you e-mail Alan Carr (abcarr@lanl.gov) with a subject line of &#8220;Request high-res image for&#8221; plus the image identification number (e.g. TR-145 — check the file names for whatever I posted), he will (if you are very nice) send you the high-res versions of whichever you want. The lab has always been very helpful for me in tracking down high-res copies of the old Trinity images. (The ones I&#8217;ve shown above come from a massive catalog of all of the Trinity images, a copy of which John Coster-Mullen sent me some time ago.)</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/03/30/trinitys-cloud-1945/#comment-4587</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 08:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was wondering if they images are available in higher resolution on LANL&#039;s website, or if you have copies of them that are of a higher resolution?

Sincerely,

Matt C.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering if they images are available in higher resolution on LANL&#8217;s website, or if you have copies of them that are of a higher resolution?</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Matt C.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/03/30/trinitys-cloud-1945/#comment-4569</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 09:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I send you letter... on wellerstein (at) gmail (dot) com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I send you letter&#8230; on wellerstein (at) gmail (dot) com</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Wellerstein</title>
		<link>http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/03/30/trinitys-cloud-1945/#comment-4535</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Wellerstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can read a little Russian, with a dictionary in hand, and can say very basic things. But I don&#039;t speak or write it with any proficiency. My e-mail is &lt;a href=&quot;http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/about-me/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, at the very end (the Gmail address); please feel free to e-mail me in Russian and I will try to make sense of it (or ask a friend or two to help). But I can only really reply in English, myself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can read a little Russian, with a dictionary in hand, and can say very basic things. But I don&#8217;t speak or write it with any proficiency. My e-mail is <a href="http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/about-me/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, at the very end (the Gmail address); please feel free to e-mail me in Russian and I will try to make sense of it (or ask a friend or two to help). But I can only really reply in English, myself.</p>
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